The rules are odd
The rules feel like a repeat of the last contest. I think we'll get pretty much the same results.

I think this would work better with a +1/-1 game. Instead of straight out vetoing, it would all be voting. Anything that's suggested would start out with 10 points. Anything that reaches zero would be disqualified and at the end the eight with the highest score would win.

Or something like that. But a different set of rules for the next contest would be nice.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-02-27 16:51:06
Someone tried to veto "Web of Spider-Man" in a previous thread because he remembered a Frog-Man story he'd read in it - only problem was, that story didn't see print in WoSM, but "Spectacular". Should vetoes with erroneous reasons stick? And for that matter, is it fair that people can veto things they have never read and don't really know anything about? (I really don't believe there's a comic book in existence that every comics fan has read.)

Amazing Spider-Man (Spider-Man never gets old!)
Runaways (excellent concept with a bright future ahead of it!)

(if I had to nominate six more, I think I'd struggle - none of these necessarily in their current iterations, and I don't think any character or team should have more than one book, so I'd go for New Avengers, Uncanny X-Men, X-Factor, and leave the other three to alternate between various mini-series I guess.)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-27 17:03:30
Deja Vu
Alright, I'd keep:
New Avengers
Mighty Avengers

Because they're very different books in terms of style, between them they allow you to use any characters you like from the MU, unlike X-Men or the Solos, and... Frank Cho/Mark Bagley and Leinel Yu.
I know the die-hard Bendis haters will veto this soon, but I'd ask them to consider the merits of the books as concepts, rather than just that they're Bendis' books.

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-27 17:07:56
I will Veto New Avengers and Mighty Avengers, because if there are only 8 Marvel titles, the most we need is 1 Avengers book.

So I'm proposing:
Avengers
Incredible Hulk

because there are a lot more Hulk stories to tell.

Posted by vampirebear on 2008-02-27 17:18:04
Two additions:
UNCANNY X-MEN
FANTASTIC FOUR (how was that not first on the list???)


And... I'm vetoing RUNAWAYS. It's a great book, but hardly essential to the line. As Vaughn's personal project, beautiful. As Whedon's love-note to Vaughn ... less and less "Essential."



Posted by Gentleman Jack on 2008-02-27 17:24:37
Two Additions:
Silver Surfer-I think you need at least one outer space title.
Iron Man-Too big of a gun to be left without a book.

Posted by johnlewis on 2008-02-27 17:29:18
When you say we only need one Avengers book, which book are you talking about? The dark, edgy, pencilly street heroes fighting the Man, or the glitzy, showbiz, bright coloured High-Profile team?
The reason I picked those two is because they are completely different in tone, and I think we need to keep that variety.
I definitely think that we need a pro-Initiative and an anti-Initiative, so I'd like to know which one your Avengers is going to be, before I choose my next two.

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-27 17:32:18
So Many Titles I wanna keep...
I regretfully ask that, of all the great books Marvel is publishing, only Captain America, and Garth Ennis' Punisher be kept. Entirely dissimilar, and catering for very different tastes. The only thing linking them is gob-smackingly fantastic writing (and show-stealing supporting casts, albeit, in the case of the Punisher, an ever changing one!).

Hope you guys have something else lined up for Ennis when the Punisher ends in reality!

Posted by cjmcaree on 2008-02-27 17:35:56
keep/trash
Keepers:
Uncanny X-Men. Exactly _one_ X-Men series. Not 37. And make it really count.
A weekly split-feature book, let's call it "Tales To Astonish" for history's sake, with oh let's say 11-page Captain America (written by Brubaker of course) and Hulk (written by Greg Pak pls thx) stories. Yes, multiple-feature series don't do so well right now... but that, I suspect, is mostly because they don't "count." Also, think weekly!

Veto: Mighty Avengers. I am a die-hard Bendis admirer, but I suspect with only one Avengers book, they'd both be a little more focused.

Posted by aspectacle on 2008-02-27 17:38:30
Avengers
deworde - that's an interesting perspective, but I can imagine an Avengers book that covers both sides, i.e. a single title to cover the Mighty Avengers, New Avengers, and Initiative side of things(remember there's only 8 titles in the ENTIRE Marvel line)

Posted by vampirebear on 2008-02-27 17:44:44
Captain America- even if Steve's not in it until half way through secret invasion lol
Amazing Spider-man

Posted by peterparker4907 on 2008-02-27 17:50:35
Oddly enough, Jack, that's exactly how I feel about Jack Kirby's run on Fantastic Four, which is a large part of why I didn't nominate it in the first place. So I'm vetoing Fantastic Four.

I also feel that restricting the list to only titles that have been around for longer than twenty years is entirely counterproductive; it entirely devalues the new concepts, and would leave Marvel looking old and wary. Remember that we're not talking about creative iterations here, just the pure concepts. Runaways is the freshest and least explored property Marvel currently publishes and I think you would be wise to suspend that veto for those reasons. :)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-02-27 17:51:02
"I can imagine an Avengers book that covers both sides, i.e. a single title to cover the Mighty Avengers, New Avengers, and Initiative"

I considered that, but I think the problem there is that a great many 12 month subscribers to New Avengers would find the Mighty Avengers issues shallow and flashy, and the same problem applies for Mighty Avengers readers: "Screw this Underground Rebellion Against a Corrupted System, where's my Women with Big Boobs punching Robot Symbiotes... in Space!"
Also, as you say, there's only 8 titles to cover a line composing literally thousands of heroes. I figure that 99% of them could star in either Mighty or New.
Incidentally, I'm not trying to cancel the veto here, I just came up with the relative descriptions of the two Avengers, and had to get that off my chest.

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-27 18:00:03
Incidentally, I know it's going, and it wasn't a ratings decision, but a creative decision, but if we could get the Order back as one of them? I think it's a really cool concept to play around with, with massive potential. And it's the most socially varied team.
Oh, and Thunderbolts needs to stay.

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-27 18:06:47
VETO: Silver Surfer (if it's a space book, it needs to be a broader book than that, not focusing on one character).

ADD: Marvel Two in One. (This would be great, because you could have any characters or stories you want in it.)

Iron Fist. (I know this is going to get vetoed, but I can't part with this book, even hypothetically.)

I CAN"T BELIEVE SOMEONE VETOED FANTASTIC 4! You have doomed the hypothetical Marvel to an existence where the world's first adventure family is HOMELESS! Bah! A pox on you and your pets.

1 Avengers
2 Hulk
3 Uncanny X-men
4 Iron Man
5 Captain America
6 Punisher
7 Spiderman
8 Marvel Two in One

9 Iron Fist (don't worry, it'll get vetoed.)





Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-02-27 18:17:33
Current List
Hmmm... I'd veto Silver Surfer, because, if we've got to limit it to 8, I'd rather avoid cosmic altogether during this dark time, rather than having one comic that would quickly become terminally overcrowded with cosmic characters.

1) Avengers
2) Incredible Hulk
3) Uncanny X-Men
4) Iron Man
5) Captain America
6) Garth Ennis' Punisher
7) Amazing Spider-man
8) The Order
9) Thunderbolts

Vetoed:
Runaways
Fantastic Four
New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Silver Surfer

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-27 18:17:34
Blast, beaten to the post by 1 second
I wish I could edit/delete my post directly above. Tom, lil' help?

I agree totally with kyle-latino about Silver Surfer, and I'm going to use my veto on Hulk. I just think that he's been used up recently, and the new stories aren't impressing me. Time for a break, he can be used in Two-In-One when the movie comes out.

1) Avengers
2) Uncanny X-Men
3) Iron Man
4) Captain America
5) Garth Ennis' Punisher
6) Amazing Spider-man
7) Marvel Two In One
8) Thunderbolts
9) Marvel Two In
10) The Order

Vetoed:
Runaways
Fantastic Four
New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Silver Surfer
Incredible Hulk

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-27 18:23:36
And ... here we are.

Essential Marvel without Fantastic Four. Recognizing that it was a punitive veto in response to cult-favorite RUNAWAYS getting stepped on, it still seems weird to talk about Essential Marvel without the title wherein Stan and Jack created the Marvel universe, the "Marvel method", and several dozen characters and concepts that are active on the stands RIGHT NOW.

With FF out of the running--- I'll nominate THE MIGHTY THOR.

(And incidentally, I thought we weren't tying books to creators--- so the "Garth Ennis' Punisher" nomination seems weird.)


Posted by Gentleman Jack on 2008-02-27 18:33:37
1. Ultimate Spider-Man, as it exists now. If there's only going to be one Spider-Man comic, this should be it.

2. The Initiative. The format is such that stories can be told about absolutely anyone and anything, so it can fill many of the niches lost by abandoning all but eight titles. Marvel fans wouldn't be quite as sad about losing their favorite characters if they knew they'd still be showing up somewhere!

Posted by MoriartyL on 2008-02-27 18:36:09
1. Captain America - I HAVE to see what happens next.
2. Thor - It's only been 6 issues, but this is a title well worth investing in.

Those are my two votes. If there was any way of consolodating the two major Avengers books, I would say do that. Heck, Bendis is writing both of them already, so it shouldn't be a problem. It would also help out those continuity nuts.

Posted by causeitwasfunny on 2008-02-27 18:49:02
Much as I love it, I'm going to veto Iron Fist, in favour of:

Marvel Knights - Main Strip focussing on Daredevil, and a back-up strip of rotating urban characters.


Posted by keense on 2008-02-27 19:21:06
Boil em down fellas!
seems like youd want to condense things down to get the most of everbodys favorite characters into the mix. For example, seeing as how Avengers and Mighty Avengers are two sides to the same story, they would be lumped into one book, probably along with many of the solo books of the individual characters (Ms. Marvel, Iron Fist). Beyond that i'd separate things out into categories (Cosmic characters like Silver Surfer, Nova, captain marvel etc ) In both examples, the writers could spotlight some ofthe different characters in solo issues as needed.
Here's my essential 8: (titles to be decided)
1) X-Book
2) Avengers book
3) FF book
4) Ultimate Universe book
5) Magic/Myth characters book
6) Cosmic Characters book
7) Street Vigilante Characters book
8) Marvel Free-For-All (Featuring a hodge podge of other marvel mayhem that doesnt quite fit elsewhere - This means you Nextwave, Howard the Duck and Impossible man!!!)

Posted by sirviz on 2008-02-27 19:27:15
VETO people VETO
The list is getting bigger. It can only be eight. Use your vetoes. I've counted some ambiguous nay-saying as vetoes just to get the count lower. If your books have already been picked, veto one you don't like. These reader responses are great fun, but I don't think we have actually succeeded in the bounds of the rules yet. So, let's give it a good try and Make Mine Marvel!

1) Avengers (Consolidation of both books)
2) Uncanny X-Men
3) Iron Man
4) Captain America
5) Mighty Thor
6) Ultimate Spider-man
7) Marvel Two In One
8) Thunderbolts

9) Initiative
10) The Order
11) Iron Fist

Vetoed:
Runaways
Fantastic Four
New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Silver Surfer
Garth Ennis' Punisher
Amazing Spider-man

Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-02-27 19:27:39
There needs to be at least 1 Avengers, Fantastic 4, X-Men and Spider-man book. That makes four.
Probably a Daredevil, (more of a darker comic then the above four). That makes five.
I think that Iron Man and Thor can fold into the Avengers.
I agree on the Science Fiction space book. Wouldn't suggest Silver Surfer be the lead though. That makes six.
I'd put out a Marvel Illustrated for the kids. That's seven.
Wrap it up with the Illuminati. I'd expand the roster though and add Steve Rogers.



Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-27 20:38:05
WHAT????
ASM got booted? Where? I can't find that. I think you need to put that one back on the list, bro.
I love sirviz's idea. That is the situation that Marvel was in when they did Tales of Suspense and Amazing Fantasy and Tales to Astonish. It was a great way of working in the various stories.

I veto....
Thunderbolts
The Order
from the keeper list.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-27 20:38:42
But seen as that's not the rules:

Veto Iron Man (with an essential 8, Iron Man can fit into the Avengers).
Veto Thunderbolts. (ESSENTIAL 8, are you kidding me!)
Veto Marvel-Two-In-One, (that is unless you make it the only kids friendly title among the 8)


Add Daredevil (a Mature version)

Posted by Thomas More on 2008-02-27 20:47:21
My Eight
Easy.

1). The Uncanny X-Men: A flagship title like no other. All others are just offshoots.
2). The Mighty Avengers: Another flagship title.
3). The Amazing Spiderman: And yet another who has spinoffs that are really dead weight.
4). The Twelve: A new title that really deserves to be a series.
5). Power Pack: I hate this series, but the kids need something to read.
6). Nova: My favorite solo hero. This man rocks!
7). The Thunderbolts: This team is a winner. Interesting conflicts abound.
8). The Punisher: For the more adult crowd that loves vigilante justice.

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-02-27 20:59:00
Ultimate Veto
Veto Ultimate Spider-man, with a preemptive veto for Ultimate FF, Ultimate X-Men and the ultimates. There's nothing essential about he ultimate line.
With only 8 titles Marvel would have to go with split books an team-ups, So I'm nominating Tales of Suspense (Cap & Iron Man) Journey into Mystery (Thor & FF) & Marvel Team-Up (Spider-Man teamed with another Mighty Marvel Favorite) With these books we can now veto Captain America, Thor and Iron Man
I also nominate Peter Parker, The Spectacular Spider Man, Because Marvel without Spider-Man is like a Sandwich without bread.

Posted by leeboone on 2008-02-27 21:08:31
Easy
Thor
Captain America
Fantastic Four
Amazing Spider-Man
Avengers (where Iron-Man is a central a player)
Hulk
Daredevil
Uncanny X-Men

Posted by Dusty. on 2008-02-27 21:33:33
Amazing?
I didn't see anyone veto Amazing Spidey yet.



Posted by procko983 on 2008-02-27 21:37:58
Mini-Marvels
1.) Mini-Marvels
2.) X-men

Veto Captain America, I could do without this title

Posted by fatandy222 on 2008-02-27 21:38:03
I'm just gonna list my 8 cus these bogs posts come and go

1. Fantastic Four
2. Silver Surfer
3. X-Men
4. Amazing Spider-Man
5. Avengers
6. Punisher
7. Ghost Rider
8. New Mutants

Posted by mre2u on 2008-02-27 21:49:17
my two I'd HAVE To keep are

Some sort of X-Men
Some sort of Spider-Man

Veto Hulk - he can be in a half n half book or a mash up.

Posted by stuckinazkaban on 2008-02-27 21:50:16
1. Defenders - rotating cast.
2. Guardians of the Galaxy - need 1 space book that can support a rotating cast, guest stars.

Veto Thor - have him a member of the Avengers.

And how does Hulk get a veto...? He's the second most iconic Marvel character after Spidey.



Posted by Hrungr on 2008-02-27 22:00:06
Vetoing Marvel Two-in-One, Initiative, Iron Fist, and The Order.

Posted by CylverSaber on 2008-02-27 22:03:43
Updated List
1) Avengers (Consolidation of both books)
2) Uncanny X-Men
4) Captain America
5) Mighty Thor
6) Ultimate Spider-man
7) Marvel Knights/Daredevil

Vetoed:
Runaways
Fantastic Four
New Avengers
Mighty Avengers
Silver Surfer
Garth Ennis' Punisher
Amazing Spider-man
Iron Man
The Order
Iron Fist
Marvel Two-In-One
The Initiative

Posted by Vastion on 2008-02-27 22:09:38
The above list is mostly correct, to my knowledge. It's hard to tell because posts keep disappearing.

Posted by Vastion on 2008-02-27 22:10:59
Captain America
Avengers
Iron Man
Amazing Spider-Man
X-Men
Fantastic Four
Marvel Comics Presents (rotating spotlight for other characters not in any of the above titles)
Marvel Adventures (that way you have at least one all-ages title)

Posted by naktekh on 2008-02-27 22:16:51
keep Daredevil, veto marvel knights

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 22:24:58
My Essential Eight
1) X-MEN
2) AVENGERS
3) FANTASTIC FOUR
4) SPIDER-MAN
5) CAPTAIN AMERICA
6) IRON MAN
7) HULK
8) MARVEL SUPER HEROES (Triple-sized anthology series for everything else)


Posted by Binaryan on 2008-02-27 22:28:11
which Iron Man had been vetoed, Director of Shield, the upcoming Invincible, or both?

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 22:33:18
continuation
because there should be at least one left

Posted by mace randu on 2008-02-27 22:34:08
veto : Mini-Marvels

1.Moonknight
2.Punisher

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-28 00:52:13
Where have all the responses gone?
I can only see 4.

Posted by deworde on 2008-02-28 02:18:21
Veto: HULK

1. Thunderbolts
2. New Avengers

Posted by The Gecko on 2008-02-28 03:05:41
Veto: Punisher

1. The Amazing Spider-Man
2. Fantastic Four

Posted by Paulymorph on 2008-02-28 03:10:02
I'm sure there have to be more than four responses...

1. A singular X-Men title, containing Cyclops, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Storm, Beast, Iceman, Colossus, and Shadowcat, granted she survives the last issue of Whedon's run. If she doesn't, bring her RIGHT back. With Steve Rogers gone and all this talk about Sue Richards dying, we can't afford to lose another one.

2. A singular Avengers book, containing Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man, Clint Barton (either as Hawkeye, Ronin, or hey, I was always rooting for him to be the next Captain America, Bendis certainly dropped enough hints that way), Ares, Iron Fist, and Spider-Woman.

Veto: Moon Knight. With only 8 titles we really want to keep his around?

Posted by 616 Spider-Man on 2008-02-28 03:41:42
Iron Fist has to be on the list somewhere as does Captain America

Posted by ukdavew on 2008-02-28 04:48:01
okay
okay for a book whit the whole Avengers, and a rounding cast...
okay for a book with the Fantastic Four...
idem for the x-men...okay

isn'it wonderful ?
all de super-teams are still here, AND
WE
HAVE
OUR
MAIN
CHARACTERS
:
SpiderMan
Cap America
Daredevil
Howard the duck

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-28 05:16:57
what ?

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-28 05:18:14
I can't see the other responses at the moment, so these may hav been vetoed already.

1) X-Men - one title only.
2) Fantastic Four

Veto - Iron Fist. Are you serious? with only 8 titles a b character like Iron Fist? Don't get me wrong, I love the current series but it's hardly essential Marvel heritage if you know what I mean.

Posted by NewChad on 2008-02-28 05:38:56
Interesting--I was awre that Marvel was only allowed eight titles back then, but I never knew the reason behind it.


If there's only eight titles, you'd really have to include something like the upcoming Marvel Adventures: Super-Heroes.

And I'll just take this excuse to suggest that a Strange Tales book co-starring Doctor Strange and Magik is absolutely essential to the future of Marvel.

Posted by NielsVanEekelen on 2008-02-28 05:59:56
Slightly off topic: On the front page of Tom's blog, this post reads as having 55 responses, yet I can only read about 10. This flagging system doesn't seem to work the way it should.

On topic again: I'll not argue against the core characters that have been mentioned, which as far as I can tell are

X-Men
Fantastic Four
Avengers
Hulk
Captain America
Daredevil
Spider-Man

That's seven. The eighth title should be an anthology title, like Niels van Eekelen there suggested. That way, all the second-tier characters and teams would have an arena, together with the fringes of the universe. Called... Marvel Tales? Giant-Size Marvel? Marvel Adventures? Marvel Monthly?

Posted by Josef Karven on 2008-02-28 06:19:29
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN
FANTASTIC FOUR
AVENGERS
X-MEN
INCREDIBLE HULK
CAPTAIN AMERICA
DAREDEVIL
MARVEL TEAM-UP

'Nuff said.

Posted by skagandboneman on 2008-02-28 06:35:36
My 8
Core line (essentially same titles as Ultimate Universe but probably based more on the core Marvel U)
Avengers (Adult target)
X-Men (Teen target)
Spider-Man (Teen/adult target)
Fantastic Four (with reservations, this series has needed a serious revamp for a long time but what I have read in ultimates universe is good) (Kid/teen target)

Remix Titles (based on my opinion that team/group titles often tend to be easier to keep interesting)
Marvel Underworld (with Daredevil, Punisher, and maybe an occasional Ed Brubaker Criminal story) (Adult Target)
Marvel Cosmos (with Silver Surfer, Nova, Ms. Marvel, Captain Marvel, etc. and focus on aliens like the Kree and space travel) (Teen/Adult Target)
Amazing Fantasy (Thor, etc. and introduce potential new characters) (Kid/Teen Target)
Currently non-existent comic book featuring a strong female character central to the Marvel Universe (in a way that neither spidergirl (veto because of MC2 status), Ms. Marvel (not central enough (good attempt with Mighty) and too flat), or she-hulk (not central) is). It is essential this character interact with others like in Avengers or other team. It might possible to structure something around a brought back Phoenix. (Kid/Teen target)

Runner Up:
SHIELD comic

Veto:
Cap, Daredevil, Hulk, Iron Man, Silver Surfer because none of these titles tend to have long runs of great comic books. Yes, they are great now but I am worried about keeping the quality up over a long period of time.

Posted by shaunbed on 2008-02-28 07:02:35
how many titles by anthologies ?
good to see the old names :
Amazing Fantasy
Strange Tales
Marvel Team-Up

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-28 07:39:18
so Tom,
what about the MAX line ?

or the Brother Voodoo' ongoing and origins ?
by Warren Ellis and Sean Philips , right ?

I was talking with a friend about...voodoo actually ( no Tom, really, there's no problem...) and I ended with a book written around 1995 by Ben Okri, 'The famished road'.The story of a youg man in Nigeria who is still bended to the spirit of his dead brother, who's talking to him from the land of the deads.Still haven't read it but I will.
I immediatly think to Brother V.
I'm not sure that Okri know the comic-book hero but it's an astonishing coincidence.
I expect a litterary approach as Brett Easton Ellis did with 'Batman' in his 'American psycho'.

yes .
and everybody wishes me a good read.

who's still bended to the spirit



Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-02-28 07:52:38
This is tough...
I like this idea:

"X-Men
Fantastic Four
Avengers
Hulk
Captain America
Daredevil
Spider-Man

That's seven. The eighth title should be an anthology title, like Niels van Eekelen there suggested. That way, all the second-tier characters and teams would have an arena, together with the fringes of the universe. Called... Marvel Tales? Giant-Size Marvel? Marvel Adventures? Marvel Monthly?"

I may even swipe out Daredevil for a Marvel Knights title that could have Punisher / DD / Black Widow / etc... characters.

I also may consider instead of Captain America a Tales of Suspense style with Cap / Iron Man. The same with the Hulk and make it Hulk / Nova (or something COSMIC because that area isn't represented).

Posted by pmpknface on 2008-02-28 08:20:12
Hey, pmpknface...
I like where you're going with your list but I'd make two small adjustments.

Replace Daredevil with a team-up book (MTU or MTIO) to cover most (if not all) the heroes not covered by all the other books and add Guardians of the Galaxy to cover the bases for the cosmic aspect of Marvel and then you've got all the "essentials" covered.

X-Men
Fantastic Four
Avengers
Hulk
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America
Spider-Man
team up book [Marvel Two-In-One or Marvel Team-Up]

Posted by friskydingo on 2008-02-28 09:42:51
FIX THE BOARDS!!!!!!!
Hey, support guy, I'm looking at you!

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-28 10:09:12
My 8
I like a lot of the thoughts, but I would like to see the FF handle the cosmic stuff.
So I recommend

Uncanny X-Men
Fantastic Four
Avengers
Amazing Spider-Man
Tales to Astonish (the book to handle Dr. Strange, Iron Fist and Hulk. WEEKLY book?)
Thor
Marvel Alliance (Nick Fury, Black Widow, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Captain America, Falcon...handles the gritty spy story stuff)
Daredevil
Marvel Team-Up

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-28 13:38:24
X-Factor and Runaways.

OK, those are there because those are my favorites, for purposes of selling comics, Asthonishing X-Men and Amazing Spider-Man.

"-as Whedon's love note to Vaughn? Less essential." - HILARIOUS!

Whedon, for as good as you've been, you should not have taken up this comic. You're to busy to write consistently.

Posted by fetty_pet on 2008-02-28 13:49:17
veto: moonknight

Add: She-hulk, There is so much of her story left to tell.
also, for the heck of it, a renewed Cable and Deadpool.

Posted by monstersandgods on 2008-02-28 13:52:52
vetos
Cable and Deadpool, X-Factor (two x-books is too much), Marvel Team-Up (I would prefer a steady plot), Astonishing X-men

Posted by shaunbed on 2008-02-28 14:08:36
picks
To the guy that keeps updating the list, amazing spiderman did not get vetoed, unless either u did it, or someone else did it and his post disappeared. Anyways here are my top 2.

1.) Marvel team up
2.) Guardians of the Galaxy

I agree with the notion of having titles that can ecompass as many characters as possible. So to u guys who already nominated these, and for those reasons, I salute you.

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-28 14:18:57
she hulk???
veto she hulk

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-28 14:19:47
add a defenders book and put she hulk in it, no she hulk solo title

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-28 14:20:42
Essential 8

We keep the flagship books:

Fantastic Four
Spiderman
Avengers
X-Men

The other four are harder to decide on. Are we going for sales, variety, or political correctness?

Anyway for the sake of argument I'd go with

Daredevil
Captain America
Hulk
Thor

but anthology books or split books like the old Tales of Suspense, Tales to Astonish, and Strange Tales that explore the various aspects of the Marvel U would allow for more characters. Also they
would be limited to 2 11 page stories or 3 7 pages stories and probably reduce blown deadlines.



Posted by izzatrix on 2008-02-28 14:36:43
my 8
Heres the 8 that I think Marvel would do in that situation, and probably rightufully so.

1. Amazing spiderman
2. Uncanny x-men
3. Fantastic Four
4. Mighty Avengers
5. Incredible Hulk
6. Invincible Iron man
7. Mighty Thor
8. Daredevil

Posted by jvshaft on 2008-02-28 14:45:15
"The eighth title should be an anthology title, like Niels van Eekelen there suggested."

It being an anthology featuring many different characters is good, that's why I picked it over the other Marvel Adventures titles--but I mostly meant that a Marvel Adventures book, being all-ages and entry-level, is essential.

Posted by NielsVanEekelen on 2008-02-28 15:18:53
Veto
I veto Captain America. It's a great book but if we're narrowing Marvel's Line to only eight books, I feel it's unfair for Cap to have his own book when you know he's going to represented in the Avengers title.

So I'd suggest (based on the non-contested books)

An X-men Book (Uncanny)
Fantastic Four
Avengers
A Spider-man Book (Amazing)
Hulk

Hmph. I think those are basically the only 5 essential books. I think the idea of different anthology could fill out the other three.

Horror/Supernatural anthology (For Ghost Rider, Dr. Strange, ETC)
Cosmic anthology (Silver Surfer, Nova, ETC)
Crime anthology (Daredevil, Punisher, ETC)





Posted by egotrip02 on 2008-02-28 16:08:45
If these are the eight everyone has been talking about.

1) Avengers (Consolidation of both books)
2) Uncanny X-Men
3) Iron Man
4) Captain America
5) Mighty Thor
6) Ultimate Spider-man
7) Marvel Two In One
8) Thunderbolts

I'd say drop Ultimate Spidey for Amazing.
And drop Marvel Two in One in favor of Ms Marvel

Posted by Tom Reed on 2008-02-28 16:21:18
Ok I add & Veto
1) Nova - this is a really good comic for those not already reading it all cosmic tales could be done in this book....(Silver Surfer, Starlord guest star etc)
2) X-Factor - I know I know Uncanny is the core book, but no one has mentioned this, and its consistently an interesting take on the Mutant side of the Marvelverse
I veto Defenders - Its just too variable 'historically' as far as quality of stories goes (in my view)

Posted by GreatGraeme on 2008-02-28 18:02:12
You know, I never thought of myself as a post nazi, but dang. My question is, why even comment on this blog if you clearly haven't read the whole thing. I mean, sure, it's all just silly fun, and the rules just set up to facilitate that silly fun, but it's like people just read the title and start typing.

Whatev's, just an old fart pooping his pants because of 'kids today'.

Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-02-28 19:17:42
veto Ms. Marvel.

Posted by monstersandgods on 2008-02-28 20:45:04
I'm going to suggest a 'marvel knights' title, which would contain short sections of 3 titles - the first would be a permenant daredevil section, the second a permenant punisher section and the third goes through sort alternating arcs with other characters that fit that kind of role - Luke Cage, Moon Knight, Iron Fist, Dr Strange, Ghost Rider, Blade and so on.

I'm also tempted to say that an X-men title would be two thirds team book with one third devoted to solo stories with X-men a different one every other month.

Much as I'm loathe to do so I'd veto a dedicated cosmic anthology purely because I don't think cosmic characters are essential to the line as a permenant feature.

For an overall ine up I'd go with : X-men Anthology (title just mentioned), Marvel Knights, Spider-man, Hulk, Fantastic Four, An anthology of Captain America and Iron Man stories, some kind of marvel spotlight series with just one or two issue stories of any character not already covered, the last one would go to a similar role but for team books and they'd get longer arcs, say a 3-6 issue arc of different teams such as guardians of the galaxy, defenders, initiative, x-factor or whatever.

Posted by Alexjholt on 2008-02-29 05:49:01
Punitive vetos? Seriously??
Grow up, folks. Vetoing an obvious cornerstone of the Marvel U like the FF just becuas your favourite niche book, like Runaways or what have you, was vetoed, defeats the whole point of the exercise. My essential 8:

1) Amazing Spider-Man - you CANNOT leave Spidey out of the MU
2) FF - likewise. If you behave otherwise just to be contrary you are a fool
3) Avengers - ONE Avengers book is all you need.
4) Uncanny X-Men - ONE X-Men book would actually be a welcome change
5) Hulk - these are the big guns here folks. You've gotta have them. You may feel Hulk is "played out" at the moment but get real, this is the Marvel Universe! No Hulk?!?
6) Captain America
7) Iron Man
8) Marvel Team Up - everyone else gets to come out to play

Posted by Moorish on 2008-02-29 06:00:37
But Moorish
Hulk didn't get his own book for a long time! For years, the hulk books were wrapped into anthologies or team-ups. In the Essential Eight format, I would argue strongly that there is a need for other books rather than Hulk. Hulk comes out in the anthology.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-02-29 08:10:22
These exercises
Honestly, I think Tom's veto rules have really worked against us on this one. With as many people as are responding, you can realistically expect to have at least one person vindictively veto ANY of the plainly obvious titles for an essential eight line, leaving you only with, again, obscure ones no one has bothered vetoing. Then, eventually, you have nothing left that you can add to replace the crap that's been forced in.

Permanent vetoes really just didn't work for this one.

Frankly, I'd agree with Moorish. Although I'd be tempted to drop Captain America for a Marvel Knights title. Cap works better as a leader, not a solo character. Even Iron Man is a bit suspect, but could you even get rid of his title right before the movie comes out? That's just bad business.

Though Hulk IS the ideal loner and the Marvel Universe wouldn't be the same without him, even if he is a bit over exposed right now.

Posted by PseudoSherlock on 2008-02-29 09:20:52
I really don't think this can be done without putting characters into anthology, hence my massive number in my original post. If you don't think Hulk is quite able to support a book on his own, perhaps pair him off with another character - my suggestion would be Thor who missed out on a place in my original selection.
I would strongly advise against removing the hulk entirely as after spider-man he is probably the most famous household name.

Posted by Alexjholt on 2008-02-29 10:44:10
A bit of realism...
.. if you're going to downgrade to 8 titles (ie, about 0.00003% of Marvel's normal monthly output), you need to be damn sure that your major merchandise titles are in there. Which to my mind means
1) Spider-Man
2) Hulk

Nothing else comes close - other might shift more comic books, but which books shift more lunchboxes, underwear, toys etc.

But seeing as the rules have been decidely bent, I'll add my other 6 as well

3) X-Men
4) Avengers (including Captain America and Thor)
5) Wolverine (there's a reason why Marvel put out 47 Wolverine books - they sell. And he's a big merchandiser)
6) Fantastic Four
7) Iron Man (only because he has a major movie out, otherwise he's in Avengers)
8) Rocket Raccoon.

No, no, I kid, for (8) I'd go for a Mighty World of Marvel type deal with rotating features - Daredevil, Thor, Iron Fist, Dr Strange,

Posted by GS ManThing on 2008-02-29 11:48:34
My Veto's
Because I haven't submitted my Veto's yet.

Fantastic Four: They were good a long time ago, but now their obsolescence is starting to show. The internal conflicts between the four clashing personalities aren't as pronounced, and the only likable one is The Thing. Mr. Fantastic is reckless and irresponsible as a mad scientist, and the Storm Siblings barely show up on the radar. The team, once the darlings of the MU, have been relegated to bland and unlikable, and have been overshadowed by The Avengers and The X-Men. Maybe once the new creative team takes hold. Not now though.

Ultimate Spider Man: Why the offshoot, alternate universe, rehashed stories get more respect than anything new or daring is beyond me, but even though they sell, that would halt any forward progression for Spiderman. It would just be the same old stories, rehashed. After awhile, who wants to do that?

Posted by DRock1 on 2008-02-29 11:50:05
Essential Eight
1. Uncanny X-Men
2. Amazing Spiderman
3. Fantastic Four
4. Incredible Hulk
5. Mighty Avengers
6. Moon Knight
7. Thor
8. Doctor Strange.

Posted by Aesc on 2008-02-29 13:41:34
Hey Brevoort.....
Dont talk to us until you are ready to apologize for defending the Spider-man mess. I'm not fooled by your attempts to change the suject with these stupid nominate/veto games. Note to all Marvelites out there: DONT LET HIM OFF THE HOOK SO EASY!

Posted by Steve Zoovie on 2008-02-29 15:13:23
Hey Steve ....
It's worth remembering that not all of us feel that OMD/BND was a mess. In fact, many of us quite enjoyed it. Judging by the sales numbers, a great many of us did. And please, don't demand an apology from someone on my behalf. The sense of entitlement involved doesn't sit well with me.

Posted by Gentleman Jack on 2008-02-29 16:48:21
Yeah, man. I veto apologies.

Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-02-29 17:10:19
You're picking two...not all eight
So, I'm not sure what's actually eligible at this point, but...

Add:
- I support the idea of a Marvel Knights book with a rotating roster of those characters that fit the bill (Iron Fist, Daredevil, Dr. Strange)
- There needs to be at least one book with a female lead. To this end, I pick Black Widow. Nick Fury in a supporting role. She's always been around the Marvel fringes but I think an espionage book would also add a dose of another genre to the 8 title stable.

Veto:
- Moon Knight: Never found him to be interesting enough to carry his own book. Marvel Knight him instead.

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-02-29 17:28:40
OMD/BND...let it go
Comics are great because you dont have to buy stuff you dont like.

Posted by sirviz on 2008-02-29 19:43:18
It wasn't actually a punitive veto, although I know it looked like it. I honestly believe that there isn't a need for a Fantastic Four book any more. Its best days are decidedly behind it. The real way to honour Kirby's legacy really is creativity, and that means new books like Runaways. But Jack doesn't seem interested in rescinding his veto (despite this being about the books themselves rather than who's writing the books right now - Whedon's only on it for another issue - and the very top talent Marvel has to offer is going to be streamlined onto these hypothetical books anyway) so fair enough.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-03-01 14:01:24
The FF veto
Although admittedly I was on the verge of withdrawing my FF veto before I posted that, because I loved the Waid/Wieringo run. But then I remembered how Mike Wieringo used to express how he wished he could be working on new concepts with new ideas and characters, and it reminded me why I vetoed it in the first place...

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-03-01 14:05:49
keep new avengers
Keep New Avengers!!! They are the best superhero team ever. Keep it running even with no one knowing Spidey's identity anymore. Keep it going!!!!!!!!

Posted by New Avenger 5 on 2008-03-01 15:00:55
wait what?
Yo uare going to cancel every comic besides the 8 chosen? That sucks.

Posted by hhfootball79 on 2008-03-01 16:01:34
Definite keeps...
My choices would be:
Uncanny X-Men, though would be sad to see the end of X-Factor
New Avengers to cover the main heavy-hitters
A second Avengers universe title, to counterpoint the main one. Not Mighty. Probably Iron Man, given the current state of things.
Amazing Spider-Man. He's got to be in there, despite recent controversial changes surely?
Wolverine. It's been said before- he features in pretty much every MU book for a reason...
Ummmm... I don't know about the others. A 'Marvel Knights' title would be good for Daredevil and such, would also be a good chance to have runs with Cap, Spider-Man, even Doctor Strange. A title with licence to experiment with characters outside of the flagship titles.
And as much as I curse myself for saying it, the Ultimate Universe has to feature. A new title to cover all of the current ones would work I think. From what I've seen they love crossovers more than air anyway.

A change like this could be really interesting. Uncanny generally sticks with Uncanniness and lacks the indie style of X-Factor, or lunacy of C&D, so seriously cutting down on X-books would really force teams together, move characters around more. The same would apply to Ms Marvel and the others in the Avengerscentric universe.

Vetoes:
Marvel Team-up. Sometimes good, sometimes poor. My main problem is that it's a forced concept, and too often an excuse for fanboy writers to throw complete randoms together in a quiet corner of the MU. Like I said, patchy results.
I second the veto of Silver Surfer. Definitely cannot support a title. I wouldn't want to put any Cosmic in there actually. They work as one-shots and limited series, but not serials. By definition and design they focus on massive space operas, massive changes. That's hard to keep going ad infinitum.

I don't think anyone's raised this yet too: what happens with the crossovers? When the next event comes up Marvel can't have a main run of books, they'd have to structure it across the current running titles. Messiah CompleX was a nightmare to keep track of.

Nick

Posted by the knowledge on 2008-03-01 19:48:39
The Whole 8 Yards
This got me to thinking how a) the Image line, although not part of one universe, is hella more diverse than all of Marvel's current offerings in style and content and b) times and tastes have changes since the silver age boom and a core Marvel 8 should reflect these times but without leaving the whole MU behind. This shouldn't be considered towards the vote (I bid my two already) but here would be a full line-up:

1) Spidey: Teen book. Go back and make him a teenager again.

Two books on opposite ends of the Civil War Spectrum:

2) Avengers: New Cap leads a superhero team of Cyclops, White Queen, Wolverine, New Vision, Photon, She-Hulk. Save the world from supervillains and do the avenging-type stuff.

3) SHIELD: The espionage book. SHIELD at its core with Iron Man at the helm, Ms. Marvel and Black Widow at his side. Fury behind the scenes. Global politics. Black Panther and Storm in Wakanda. Cap Britain and The Invaders in England. Doom in Latveria.

4) Fantastic Family: An all-ages book. The Fantastic Four as The Incredibles.

5) X-Factor: The Mutant Book. Any Mutant Superheroes are in other books (a la The Avengers). This reads like Morrison's run focusing on real-life situations, fame, racism, crime affecting mutants. Madrox agency still in effect street-level with: Madrox, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Rogue, M, Rachel Summers.

6) Criminal: Bru's Book. The Punisher, Daredevil, and Heroes for Hire can be part of this world but the focus is still through the eyes of the criminals.

7) Marvel Knights: I'd like there to be some through-line that connects the mythologies of Iron Fist, Moon Knight, The Hulk, and Dr. Strange. Plays like a modern take on The Knights of the Round Table.

8) Secret War: Aliens are unknown to the general public. This is Marvel's sci-fi book. Essentially the cast of Annihilation. Marvel's Battlestar Gallactica or Star Wars.

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-03-01 20:01:09
hhfootball79, this is just a game, it's only hypothetical - Tom's had us playing games like this all week, I guess he didn't make it clear enough in this post. None of these decisions are binding to Marvel. :)

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-03-02 09:32:46
Do any of you guys actually read Criminal? It's not a Marvel book. It doesn't have superheroes in it, it's a straight-up crime book. These comments about "you could have Daredevil in it" makes me think people are ranking things without really having any idea what they are...

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-03-02 19:10:47
Fetsur
Your comment makes me think you didn't read my whole post. My list that included "Criminal" wasn't for the game. In addition to my 2 picks I added a hypothetical 8 of my own which included a "Criminal" that would be like Bru's in structure but more like "Alias" in spirit in that MU heroes and villains may make cameos. That said, I have read every "Criminal" issue and it's near perfect as is. Thanks.

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-03-02 21:15:33
Which raises the question...
If there were an Essential 8, would they all necessarily need to take place in the MU? Throw in a Criminal or Kick-Ass and does that help or hurt the company line?

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-03-02 21:23:25
it's obvious this isn't working...
I agree with someone above who disagreed with the veto rules as they are, the parameters of the excercise don't seem to be quite as effective as they were intended to be... if, Tom was hoping to see a list materialize out of this blog. If he was, then it may have worked better if people simply made a vote as if they were voting a title into the Marvel Universe Hall of Fame. Each person has two votes, giving two points to their first choice, one point to their second choice and the veto subtracts one point from the selescted title. This would mean that all choices made after their second are ignored, and if they chose not to veto, then they may still do so, or not if they don't want to.
Sorry but I'm not going to do all the math, don't have the time, but I will add my two cents:

First Choice: Unified Avengers title (since there didn't seem to be any rules as to the frequency and size of the comic I suggest bi-monthly and double sized)
= 2 points

Second Choice: Amazing Spider-Man (regardless of what's gong on right now I don't think I need to justify this decision, also thrice monthly works for me, so keep that going)
= 1 point

Veto: New Warriors (not that it's the worst Marvel title, but it hasn't really contributed to the Marvel universe all that much to my knowledge and there aren't any important characters in it)
= -1 point.

Please keep going if you think this seems to be a good compromise. Maybe a list can be formed using these additional guidelines, take to the top eight from the list and you've got your essential eight.

Posted by voidkampf on 2008-03-03 02:28:11
Gentleman Jack...
I have to say that I like BND, but don't lump it in with OMD. OMD Was a godawful mess from start to finish. I am enjoying the destination, but how we got there utterly sucked.

Bigdaddyhub2 - maybe Hulk didn't get his own book for awhile *back then*, but we are talking about what we would do if boiling the line down to 8 books *now*. And for that reason you HAVE to give the big green his own title (and this is coming from someone who was bored to tears by Planet Hulk and finds Jeph Loeb's Hulk book to be at the same standard as everything else he's written lately - garbage.


Posted by Moorish on 2008-03-03 07:46:59
off-topic, don't even take a look
to Michael Heide:

I'm even f.cking don't sleep at night because of your filthy ideas, especially the idea of a 'Masters of Evil' book, really, this is just great.
Then I have made a proposal about what the MAX line could look like :

1)Werewolf by night : Daniel Way and Steve Dillon ( too easy ?)
2)Hannibal King : Fred Van Lente and Tom Coker
3)Cloak and Dagger : Ann Nocenti and Larry Stroman
4)Nick Fury : Matt Fraction and John Paul Leon
5)Sleepwalker : Jason Aaron and Ted Mc Keever
6)Masters of Evil : Peter Milligan and Howard Chaykin
plus a Doctor Strange book by Neil Gaiman and Michael Lark (7)

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-03 11:48:09
heads over hearts
You have to keep the Wolverine solo title along with,
An X-Men title for the rest of the mutants.
One Avengers title(sorry but this contains Iron Man and Cap)
Spiderman title(marvel's face)
Hulk title(big green money maker)
Marvel presents(for the rotating characters. and do it just like they do now. a one shot story, a few 12 part storys and a few 3 or 6 part storys. covers a lot of bases)
One marvel adventures title for the young kids
Then run 3 or 6 issue mini series dedicated to one character at a time. so you'll get a daredevil story for 6 monthes, then a nova story for 3, then an iron fist and luke cage for 3, then maybe an off the wall group story for 6, and so on and so on....
I'm not gonna veto, but quit putting up your personal favorite solo book you know wouldn't make the 8. sure you like moon knight better than hulk, but who makes marvel more money? think with your head not your heart people.

Posted by Herigon on 2008-03-03 12:00:27
My Eight:
I'm not playing by your "veto" rules because this is merely my opinion:

1) The X-Men: The book could handle all mutant stories. It should definitely be titled “X-Men” but can be slanted in a realistic style like X-Factor.

2) The Avengers: If you still want the Mighty/New Avengers separation, this book could tackle both sides of the coin in one book.

3) The Fantastic Four: The all ages book, of course.

4) Spider-Man: Keep it weekly and playing like Brand New Day… I know everyone hated One More Day, but the new stories are actually good. (Could they have done stories this good with MJ? Probably, but that’s an argument for a different board.)

5) Marvel Knights: Involving Punisher, Daredevil, Moon Knight and the like.

6) Annihilation: Involving Nova and all the intergalactic characters and threats

7) S.H.I.E.L.D: I liked this idea that someone mentioned earlier. It can revolve around Nick Fury and his ilk upon his return or the current stable of Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Black Widow, etc. This book could maybe even portray a power struggle between the two factions.

And my controversy pick:

8) Excelsior: Involving Marvel’s 2nd or 3rd generation of characters (i.e. The New Warriors, The New Mutants, Runaways, etc.)

I left Hulk off as I feel that the character is better served to be a storyline rather than a title.


Posted by Nock on 2008-03-03 13:26:04
Moorish
Hey, I respect your love for the green guy, and I hate the Red Hulk garbage fest as well. i agree with Nock, however, that Hulk is only good once in about 7 years or so, so I would propose rolling him into an anthology book or as a cameo character. I loved Planet Hulk and WWH, but before that, I never cared for hulk at all. I just think you could do better for that slot if you only had 8.

Lets smile and be glad that this is only a game, right?

I think it would be awesome if Criminal tied in with the Skrull invasion. *looks at Fetsur for response*

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-03-04 01:17:59
Green love
To be honest Bigdaddy, I haven't really loved the Hulk book since Peter David was on his seminal first run a donkey's age ago (especially the issues he did with Dale Keown - fantastic comics). I enjoyed WWH for the sheer smash-fest, but I would probably even agree with you that the book is only really great once every seven years or so! I just think if we're boiling the line down to 8 books then you know that Hulk would be one of them, he is one of the Marvel U's most well-known and profitable characters (someone else mentioned merchandising before) and is one of the big faces of Marvel. He would be in there.

The sad thing for me in picking only 8 was leaving out Daredevil :-(

Posted by Moorish on 2008-03-04 03:33:39
The idea of ONLY eight titles is too horrible to even consider. :-)

Posted by Zigy on 2008-03-04 06:39:07
Only Eight
1. Amazing Spider-Man
2. Fantastic Four (Supporting: Inhumans, Silver Surfer & related cosmic heroes)
3. X-men (Supporting: All mutants, including Wolverine, Cable & even the Starjammers)
4. Mighty Avengers (Supporting: Captain America, Black Panther & featuring left out heroes as Avengers)
5. Daredevil (Supporting: Punisher)
6. Hulk (Supporting: She-Hulk)
7. Thor (Supporting: Hercules, Eternals & some cosmic carryovers)
8. S.H.I.E.L.D. (Supporting Iron Man, Nick Fury, Black Widow & some additional Captain America)

Posted by cartoonist on 2008-03-04 11:09:11
I give up!
Well, the only Marvel books I still read regularly are New Avengers and Cap (Which were vetoed), so I'll personally be vetoing Marvel comics as a whole and add The Walking Dead, Invincible, Hellblazer, DMZ, Loveless, Scalped and Ex Machina to my essential 8!

Posted by Boots on 2008-03-05 05:10:14
Uncanny X-men
Amazing Spider-man
Fantastic Four
The Avengers
Daredevil
Captain America (Shield type book)
X-men
Thor

Posted by greendart on 2008-03-05 14:36:24
I say keep the Marvel Mainstays:
1) Avengers
2) X Men
3) Fantastic Four
4) Hulk
5) Amazing Spider-Man

Then throw in a title that allows for MANY books to be told in it

6) The Initiative

7) A book following street level heroes like Daredevil and Punisher that have no where to go

Then put in your space book:
8) Guardians of the Galaxy

Pretty much any story could be told here.

Posted by whos_the_champ on 2008-03-05 15:57:28
You guys do realise the point of the eternally-binding veto, right? Tom wants to see if we can reach universal agreement on anything.

Posted by Fetsur on 2008-03-05 16:22:02
Esential Eight?.. Too Easy.
-X-Men
-Spider-Man
-Hulk
-Avengers
-Fantastic Four
-Punisher
-Wolverine
-*Marvel Comics Presents...

Now I know you said to only pick the two titles we would absolutely keep, but this was a no brainer to me. You keep all of your flagship characters, the one's with the highest fanbases, and then you leave ONE title open to run mutliple stories and to showcase different characters whenever a really good story idea comes up, or when fan awareness starts to erupt over the interest in an otherwise unpopular character.

Posted by adamant877 on 2008-03-05 19:15:19
what
there is no marvel right now without ironman he is the boss the head guy and by the way he is a marvel god

Posted by irontech37650 on 2008-03-05 19:56:12
My 8
1. Thor
2. Punisher
3. Dare Devil
4. Uncanny X-men
5. Spectacular Spider-Man
6. Hulk
7. Iron Man
8. Mighty Avengers

Veto

The Twelve and all solo Wolverine titles.

Posted by ibixlix on 2008-03-05 20:43:40
the only marvel books i read are
ironman thor captain america new and mighty avengers but i understand how important the x men and spiderman are to marvel even thought i dont like them personally oh i read nova sorry forgot

Posted by irontech37650 on 2008-03-05 21:23:21
ironman
ironman rules the world

Posted by irontech37650 on 2008-03-06 21:50:23
Essentials
1. X-men (just one comic)
2. Amazing Spiderman
3. Avengers (only one comic)
4. Wolverine
5. Hulk
6. Punisher (one MAX title)
7. Captain America
8. DD or Iron man (prefer DD over iron man but don't really care)

I think marvel shouldn't do this because they are having multiple re-printings of current books as of late and i think they would lose a lot of fans to other companies if they only had eight titles. i think they should leave everything alone and stay as is, but make only one avengers book cuz buying two is more money than i feel like spending. :)

Posted by sentry_10 on 2008-03-12 00:54:17