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My Unknown Greats pt. 6
2008-03-18 17:36:01

Okay, last one of these for the time being, and we'll move ahead onto something else.

I had precious little to do with setting up DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH. It was one of those good times where you're taking the paycheck without having to do much in the way of work.

As I recall, Brian K Vaughan mentioned to C.B. Cebulski that he had a Doctor Strange story that he was interested in doing with Marcos Martin. C.B. told me about it and asked me if I'd be interested in editing it, I said yes, and that was just about that.

Brian did come into the office at one point, and we had one discussion about Doc of a decent length--I can remember talking about the fact that Wong would be the guy to deal with the physical day-to-day stuff of Doc's like, in the manner of the Green Hornet's Kato. And I think I might have suggested the notion that Doc's Cloak of Levitation acts almost like a character, like a pet, floating around Doc's Sanctum on its own when Doc isn't using it. But that's really about all there was to it from my end.

As with THE HOOD, as scripts came in on DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH, they were in immaculate shape. Brian knew precisely what all of the beats of his story were, and he struck his marks flawlessly. And Marcos Martin, whose design-oriented approach to comics, was a joy to work with. He'd always plan everything out in meticulous detail beforehand, producing roughs of half the book at a time to look at, go over and comment on. He was always excellent about being able to art direct the page as a whole, balance the placements of his darks, and lead the eye through the story. Hi storytelling is so superb that you can virtually follow all but the subtlest of nuances of the story just from the thumbnails. (Some of these thumbnails, as well as script pages and other background materials can be found in a series of posts called Comics Tutorial 'round about November of 2006)

DOCTOR STRANGE: THE OATH was a beautiful book, and a critical darling, but at the end of the day it was a Doctor Strange project, and Doc's never had a sustained track record of high sales. Nonetheless, I think the series did an excellent job of knocking some of the cobwebs off of the presentation of Strange, showing that he could still be mysterious and powerful and formidable while still being charismatic and engaging and fun to watch in action. And by bringing in the Night Nurse character that Brian Bendis had introduced in DAREDEVIL and NEW AVENGERS, BKV was able to make Doc a romantic lead again in a way he really hasn't been in a dog's age. It was probably the best comic book series I put out that year.

More later.

Tom B
agree 100% - my favorite marvel comic in the last 2-3 years. it had the fun of a Cary Grant movie or the Thin Man with the cool modern plot. just a great great story. i wish it sold better so we could get more of it

Posted by stuckinazkaban on 2008-03-18 18:22:20
This book was my favorite of the year, and it got my friend into comics.

Posted by kyle-latino on 2008-03-18 20:47:51
stuckinazkaban said it perfectly. It definitely was cary grant-esque. Dug this mini so much. Vaughn just does dialogue so well, not to mention all of his pop culture references that just hit all the right beats.

This book made me love Doctor Strange. Keep these stories coming. They're alot of fun.

Posted by Anson17 on 2008-03-18 22:04:45
The Oath #1 is a perfect comic book. I am convinced of this.

Posted by james on 2008-03-19 07:42:49
*The Oath* is pretty much the first Dr. Strange comic I've *ever* liked, and I liked it very, very much. It also made me go back to the Essential Dr. Strange Vol. 1, and see just what made the character worthwhile in the first place.

I think the problem a lot of creators have had with Dr. Strange is thinking that "magic" means "no rules," and thus that Dr. Strange can pretty much do whatever the plot requires.

I also love Vaughn for remembering something from the Lee/Ditko days seldom referenced since: that being a master of the mystic arts has a significant component of the *martial* arts. Doc's no slouch at physical brawling when the need arises....

Posted by suedenim on 2008-03-19 08:22:16
hope that , duing to THE OATH , NEW AVENGERS and WORLD WAR HULK ,people will realize that Strange is a wonderful character that deserve an ongoing.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-19 08:43:44
Dr. Strange: The Oath !
BKV, MM, & Tom !

An outstanding arc ! I just re-read it the other day ! Great fun ! I hope that all of you can work together again on DS ! Many thanks !

Monday Morning Lunatic !

Posted by Mon Morn Lunatic on 2008-03-19 08:53:21
This is a FANTASTIC series
I absolutely LOVED The Oath. Am very excited that Marcos will be pencilling ASM soon. An absolute joy to read from start to finish, kudos to all involved.

Posted by Moorish on 2008-03-19 10:34:41
This series has been fantastic, Tom - a good reminder of some of the more overlooked Marvel projects of the last 5-7 years or so. I'm holding out a little hope that this might lead to some of these properties being resurrected - more Livewires (with Warren on board, of course) or Ostrander/Manco westerns are on the top of my list. Even bringing the out of print collections back into print would be much appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to give us a glimpse your part of the process behind these gems, too!

Posted by Josef Karven on 2008-03-19 10:58:33
Character cross-pollination
I liked what you said about the reuse of Night Nurse. She'd been used recently in Daredevil and was a variation on a much older Marvel character. This is a kind of universe referencing stuff that I really like.

Night Nurse is a straightforward enough concept that her whole Marvel history doesn't need to be recapped any time she's introduced. So it works very well having her show up in more than one title. I like when characters spread across multiple titles in natural ways. It's so much better than creating new characters from scratch every time. If every writer is creating new characters to fit their stories all the time, then nobody is reusing anyone else's stuff and all those new characters eventually die out because they're only used by their creators. It's great when writers can borrow from one another and build up each other's characters.

Posted by Jason M Bryant on 2008-03-19 11:06:34
plus :
'Dr Strange' were wonderfully devellopped in teh graphic-novel 'Triumph and torments' as we rarely seen him; the combination of the art of Mignola and Badger was a real joy to read and to look at, the story absolutely great and had the particularity to show others sorcerers of the MU ( because we see Strange become the Sorcerer Supreme ) that we didn't heard about before, and that hadn't been used since.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-19 12:17:39
Loved this series! I never cared for Doc Strange at all until I picked this up on a splurge trip to the shop. IMO, issue 4 had one of the best superhero moments I've ever read in it.

I think that this series really did a great job of putting Strange in the proper context so that his character makes sense.

Posted by bigdaddyhub2 on 2008-03-19 13:25:10
Thanks Tom
Definitely want to give Unstable Molecules (didn't realize Guy Davis was even on it!) and The Oath a second chance. I'm also going to be picking up ASM for my Marcos Martin fix. One of the best designers in comics today - how great were his Runaways covers?!?

As an FYI/IMHO, I just saw the 2nd printing variant of Millar's 1st FF issue. Now that's a cover! The title page layout is much, much, better than the original. So much so that it called me over and I almost (almost, because I still feel the coloring choices make Hitch's art unreadable) bought it. This could have/should have been the trade dress for the run.

Posted by hamgravy on 2008-03-19 13:43:56
I list two Dr. Strange Graphic novels in my all-time favorites: the aforementioned TRIUMPH AND TORMENT (which I hope will be reprinted one day) and THE OATH. I picked up the latter when it was first released in trade, shortly after my father was diagnosed with lung cancer (that had already metastasized to his brain) and re-visited it regularly during his subsequent five month struggle and after his death in October. It's a wonderfully complex moral tale told with a great deal of compassion that, obviously, touched me quite deeply. It also fostered a great appreciation for Marcos Martin's work; I can't wait for his three issue stint on Spider-man and wish he was on more Marvel projects.

Posted by dandoody on 2008-03-19 16:05:16
just checked the news with the 10 revivals.The most interesting I think, except if you keep them for Marvel Team-Up.
10 books, what is it ? I mean , to put it right and make it a success.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-20 05:33:32
old Marvel 's franchise, that's what it is.
Despite I very much appreciate the new stuff for te up-coming months ( the Eternals,Larry Stroman on X-Factor,the Last Defenders, Marvel Team-Up, Omega Flight, yeah, Omega Flight, that was a good try, can we have another one ?...) what is wonderful with Marvel is that we won't have any chance to forget that you're making
money.Steve Rogers as Cap had never been so praised till he died.It's well-known that he was better as a team-character than as a tittle ; you will maybe say that Brubaker proved it is wrong and I'll have to say no : what Ed Brubaker did and do, everybody can.EVERYBODY.It just deserve some kind of organization, it's just plannified, that's all.
I would have prefer seeing Bucky wandering a little as the Winter Soldier in the MU before taking the mask, I would had had the feeling that is not back just for it, but there's no time for complications.The same about Brian Bendis when he shows some flash-backs about the golden-age Avengers, about what Cap told to Hawkeye, if they look to the previous issues they 'll find nothing like that between these two characters.
So now he's back with the Invaders, okay, and maybe with the ALL-NEW Guardians of Galaxy ?


Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-20 05:47:36
'The same about Brian Bendis when he shows some flash-backs about the golden-age Avengers, about what Cap told to Hawkeye, if ' they ' look to the previous issues they 'll find nothing like that between these two characters.'

sorry, the 'they ' are the readers.


Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-20 05:49:31
I disagree, I think that seen would fit in perfectly when Cap first started running with his kooky quartet.

Posted by IanZL on 2008-03-20 11:37:01
This Dr Strange...
...was not a good series. The Brunner stuff in the 70's was much better. It wasnt "Brand New Day" bad, but then again, nothing is.

Its Freak man! Its MJ Hero Lady! Its Negative Man! Its 3rd Rate Goblin Man! We're Hip and cool, and we talk just like we are Stan! You know, if I was 9 or 10 years old, I might actually like it.

"Face Front" has changed to "Bend Over".

Posted by Steve Zoovie on 2008-03-20 15:10:14
i really wanna check this one out...

Posted by Venomfan1995 on 2008-03-20 15:13:59
: IanZL,

if you look closer, you'll see I didn't ask anybody to especially agree.

Posted by notapotatoe on 2008-03-21 13:59:02
Marcos Martin really is an amazing artist ~ I'll probably have to pick up his BND issues even though i'm not buying it regularly. Any other projects of his i should know about?

nd what does this Steve Zoovie clown have to do to get kicked off the site? sheesh, get another drum, guy.

Posted by artiepants on 2008-03-21 18:23:52
i don't know
how anyone coulda disliked this series. It was brilliant, another one of Vaughn's multiple triumphs. I still can't think of something he's written that I didn't like of his... hmm i'll have to look at my collection. He nailed that pulp feeling so well. The use of night nurse was brilliant. Seriously, hitler's handgun, that just made me smile. I didn't know that historical objects held an arcane power. Maybe it was first established here. Either way, brilliant idea.



Posted by Anson17 on 2008-03-27 18:06:05
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